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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by erlhapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>erlhapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tallbloke,
Next post I am going to look at trends in temperature and pressure to document an increase in the strength of the polar vortex since 1978. As the vortex strengthens ozone levels fall as does the temperature of the upper troposphere.

Here are some good sources of info: http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/hgt.shtml

The above shows the connection between the northern vortex and the Arctic Oscillation.

Below is worthy of a close look to see the patterns of the past. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/temperature/
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/

The last few months as an animation here:http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/temp30anim.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tallbloke,<br />
Next post I am going to look at trends in temperature and pressure to document an increase in the strength of the polar vortex since 1978. As the vortex strengthens ozone levels fall as does the temperature of the upper troposphere.</p>
<p>Here are some good sources of info: <a href="http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/hgt.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/hgt.shtml</a></p>
<p>The above shows the connection between the northern vortex and the Arctic Oscillation.</p>
<p>Below is worthy of a close look to see the patterns of the past. <a href="http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/temperature/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/temperature/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/</a></p>
<p>The last few months as an animation here:http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/temp30anim.shtml</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by erlhapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>erlhapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thank you for taking the trouble to comment. End of the day its about the communication of useful ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thank you for taking the trouble to comment. End of the day its about the communication of useful ideas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by erlhapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>erlhapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
I share your concerns. But I don&#039;t think the proponents of AGW will be moved by contrary observation at all. The whole thing has nothing to do with observation and a lot to do with belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
I share your concerns. But I don&#8217;t think the proponents of AGW will be moved by contrary observation at all. The whole thing has nothing to do with observation and a lot to do with belief.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by Clay Barham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Barham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you see &quot;smoke stacks&quot; on Television to boost the argument of man-made climate change, you have to be a dummy to see that most all the &quot;stacks&quot; spewing out white stuff, are actually spewing out steam, which, for those who quit thinking, is moisture.  Now, moisture in the atmosphere is, by far, a bigger heat-sealing blanket than plant food, but its is a useful ingredient just like plant food.  It would appear, the promoters of man-made climate change are simply trying to fool the many so they can walk off with the control they seek, and the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you see &#8220;smoke stacks&#8221; on Television to boost the argument of man-made climate change, you have to be a dummy to see that most all the &#8220;stacks&#8221; spewing out white stuff, are actually spewing out steam, which, for those who quit thinking, is moisture.  Now, moisture in the atmosphere is, by far, a bigger heat-sealing blanket than plant food, but its is a useful ingredient just like plant food.  It would appear, the promoters of man-made climate change are simply trying to fool the many so they can walk off with the control they seek, and the money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by tallbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallbloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erl, another very compelling post, thank you. Could you comment on the &#039;ozone hole&#039; it&#039;s duration and extent, and surface effects.

Thanks

tallbloke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erl, another very compelling post, thank you. Could you comment on the &#8216;ozone hole&#8217; it&#8217;s duration and extent, and surface effects.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>tallbloke</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good logical stuff - and although I&#039;m no climate scientist it makes a pleasant change to the bull that&#039;s been thrust down everyone&#039;s throats about &quot;carbon pollution&quot;!

I have just completed helping an author in Geelong to rewrite his book abouit magnetism, gravity, the atomic theory, and the effects of these things in determining our weather patterns, including cloud height variations.

On the other hand we&#039;ve had various &#039;scientists&#039; and &#039;experts&#039; and economists all on a wonderful gravy train to creat a scare based on computer models that cannot predict the past, let alone the future!

At least the &#039;cat is out of the bag&#039; now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good logical stuff &#8211; and although I&#8217;m no climate scientist it makes a pleasant change to the bull that&#8217;s been thrust down everyone&#8217;s throats about &#8220;carbon pollution&#8221;!</p>
<p>I have just completed helping an author in Geelong to rewrite his book abouit magnetism, gravity, the atomic theory, and the effects of these things in determining our weather patterns, including cloud height variations.</p>
<p>On the other hand we&#8217;ve had various &#8217;scientists&#8217; and &#8216;experts&#8217; and economists all on a wonderful gravy train to creat a scare based on computer models that cannot predict the past, let alone the future!</p>
<p>At least the &#8216;cat is out of the bag&#8217; now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by kuhnkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank you for posting your work on a website. Your site and Bob Tisdale&#039;s are 2 of the most interesting I have found and actually make me exercise what brain I have.

Again, thank you.

Vernon Kuhns</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank you for posting your work on a website. Your site and Bob Tisdale&#8217;s are 2 of the most interesting I have found and actually make me exercise what brain I have.</p>
<p>Again, thank you.</p>
<p>Vernon Kuhns</p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural climate variation by Dan Pangburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Pangburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming has stopped and human caused global warming never was.

The Argo float data shows that global warming stopped abruptly in about 2004 (graph on pp4 of http://www.oceanobs09.net/plenary/files/Wijffels_HeatContentTemperature_2Aa_vfinal.pdf )

The research presented in the October 14 pdf at http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&amp;linkbox=true provides a model that accurately calculates all average global temperatures since 1895 with no consideration whatsoever of changes to the level of CO2 or any other ghg. All unknowns in the model can be determined by just using data prior to about 1975. The model accurately predicts average global temperatures since then.

Since 2000 the atmospheric carbon dioxide level has increased 18.8% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the average global temperature has not changed much for several years and during the seven years from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8°C/century. This SEPARATION between the increasing carbon dioxide level and not-increasing average global temperature is outside of the &#039;limits&#039; of all of the predictions of the IPCC and &#039;consensus&#039; of Climate Scientists. The separation has been increasing at an average rate of about 2% per year since 2000. It corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature.

As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesn’t it is becoming more and more apparent that the IPCC and many Climate Scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled. 

Without human caused global warming there is no human-caused climate change. Any activity to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to reduce climate change is a mistake that takes away freedom and prosperity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming has stopped and human caused global warming never was.</p>
<p>The Argo float data shows that global warming stopped abruptly in about 2004 (graph on pp4 of <a href="http://www.oceanobs09.net/plenary/files/Wijffels_HeatContentTemperature_2Aa_vfinal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oceanobs09.net/plenary/files/Wijffels_HeatContentTemperature_2Aa_vfinal.pdf</a> )</p>
<p>The research presented in the October 14 pdf at <a href="http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&amp;linkbox=true" rel="nofollow">http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&amp;linkbox=true</a> provides a model that accurately calculates all average global temperatures since 1895 with no consideration whatsoever of changes to the level of CO2 or any other ghg. All unknowns in the model can be determined by just using data prior to about 1975. The model accurately predicts average global temperatures since then.</p>
<p>Since 2000 the atmospheric carbon dioxide level has increased 18.8% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the average global temperature has not changed much for several years and during the seven years from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8°C/century. This SEPARATION between the increasing carbon dioxide level and not-increasing average global temperature is outside of the &#8216;limits&#8217; of all of the predictions of the IPCC and &#8216;consensus&#8217; of Climate Scientists. The separation has been increasing at an average rate of about 2% per year since 2000. It corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature.</p>
<p>As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesn’t it is becoming more and more apparent that the IPCC and many Climate Scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled. </p>
<p>Without human caused global warming there is no human-caused climate change. Any activity to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to reduce climate change is a mistake that takes away freedom and prosperity</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very very interesting post..I like this one. gotta bookmark this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very very interesting post..I like this one. gotta bookmark this one.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Add your name! 28/11/09 &#171; TWAWKI</dc:creator>
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